Panel, "The Dynamics of Complex Systems", ISSS 2006 at Sonoma State University, Monday, July 9, 2006, 9:35 a.m.

ISSS Sonoma 2006, Plenary:  "The Dynamics of Complex Systems"

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Introduction:

[Debora Hammond]

Bringing together people from many systems organizations

Each speaker will be about 20 minutes, then break

[introduction by the autopoetics]

[Ralph Abraham]

30 years ago, talked with Fritjof Capro:  chaos is okay

Chaos is not okay was a serious impediment to development of systems

History:  evolutionary processes with plateaus, birfurcations and complex dynamics that happen infrequently

Moved into amateur world history

Chaos was not okay for 6000 years

1974:  Chaos avante-garde

This explosion needs some order

Advertising for chaos theory

Advertise agent-based modeling

[Debora Hammond]

NECSI:  similar goals to ISSS

[Yaneer Bar Yam]

Focus on policy issues

Organization and function

Book on what we've been trying to do to create scientific context:  Making Things Work

Looking for postdocs

Free markets versus central control

Classical example:  Soviet Union

Graph:  Complexity as a function of scale

Which system for moving at large scale:

Military examples

Health care system

Medical system 100 years ago

How to solve the problem?

Education system reform

Create diversity and create effectiveness

Have done other work:

Global systems

Four color map of the world:  Christian, Islam, Far Eastern, and indigenous

Model:  separation of types

History:  map of Yugoslavia

Work on pandemics: disease propogation

[10:25]

[George Richardson]

Systems Dynamics Society, Albany

[George Richardson]

Dynamic complexity

Real world, have information feedback, make decisions

Instead:  we build virtual worlds

Dilbert

Dynamic complexity (from Sterman)

Systems dynamics:  try to move from specific events and decisions, to patterns over time

Systems dynamics process

We don't come all of out the same systems background

Forrester:  closed boundary, then structure feedback loops, find stocks, find flows, look at decision-making goals

Most interested in the closed causal boundary:

Systems thinking as trying to uncover endogenous sources of systems behaviour

e.g. New York City population

Global atmospheric methane

Global average temperature

Strive for dynamic insights

Stocks and flows

Nick Pudar, General Motors

Stocks and flows in global warming

(skipping over slides)

Three counties in New York State on welfare reform

(10:55)

Geoffrey West, president of the Santa Fe Institute

[Geoffrey West]

(using overhead slides)

Will address fundamental challenge:  really coming to grip with the science under complex systems, and put it into the more traditional mathematical predictive framework

Spent almost entire career in high energy physics:  reductionistic

Strongly influenced by greatest discovery in 300 to 400 years:  the language of the universe is mathematics

Simplicity and complexity

Life is the most complex system:

Forests

Map of Santa Fe

Diagram of a rat's muscle

Can we estimate a theory that is mathematical and predictive?  Daunting

Metabolic rate:  how much energy does it take to keep a system alive

Need to operate about the same as a light bulb:  80 to 90 watts, similar to 2000 calories

If you look an any other physiological rate, e.g. heart rate, get a simple power law

Kleiber's law:  Body mass is related to Metabolism ** (3/4)

Special number 4

Heart rate vs. body rate, 1/4 power law

This work was done with ecologist Jim Brown, and Brian Equist

Four principles

4=3+1

Network is primary

Growth rate of a rat:  sigmoidal curve

How is cancer different from the growth of normal human tissue?

Social organizations

Are there analogs to these power laws, in social organizations?

Thus, a taxonomy of scaling

In biology, the rate of living is determined

Growth, it's the same as in biology

e.g. population of New York City increases, but resets the clock

We are victims of this phenomenon

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