Saturdays and Mondays Zoom Sessions

Since December 2018 there has been a Saturday conversation of, by and for members at 10 am Eastern USA time.
Starting on 19 February 2021 we added a second session on Mondays at 7pm Australia (Sydney)
For 2020-2021 we are having a rotating group of facilitators who will organize and facilitate the meetings, the speakers, the topics, and the manner in which the session is conducted.
Please sign up to host/present/facilitate a Session on th Saturday and/or the Monday time using this form
Recordings are here
10am Eastern USA Saturdays, and now Mondays at 7pm Eastern Australia (Canberra).
Date Facilitator/Convenor Speaker Topic Comment
15 Aug 2020 Howard Silverman George Mobus, Len Troncale & John Kineman Advancing systems science  
22 Aug 2020 Peter Tuddenham Debora Hammond Paradigms and Practice: Reflections on Systems Philosophy  
29 Aug 2020 Allenna Leonard William Smith Leadership and Systemic Innovation SIG Chair handover from Alexander Laszlo to William Smith  
5 Sep 2020 George Mobus Robert Johannson Decision Making  
12 Sep 2020 Gary Smith Tyler Volk Cycles  
19 Sep 2020 Howard Silverman Olaf Brugman Cycles and Organizations  
26 Sep 2020 William Smith 
Len Troncale
Systems Pathology  
3 Oct 2020 George Mobus Discussion SIGs Discussion - Naming - Roles - Responsibility  
10 Oct 2020 Peter Tuddenham Kevin Dye Structured Dialogic Design approach to Systems Literacy  
17 Oct 2020 Howard Silverman Michelle Friend The Institutional Compass Used to Evaluate a System  
24 Oct 2020 Dennis Finlayson Dennis Finlayson
Systemic Approaches to Crises and Disasters SIG, Dennis will encourage a conversation on this topic, with particular reference to the COVID Pandemic.
31 Oct 2020 George Mobus Tyler Volk A précis of Quarks to Culture:  Twelve fundamental levels in a grand sequence across three dynamical realms, with potential applications for principles toward the future.  
7 Nov 2020 Sue Gabriele Sue Gabriele [1] a systems science transdisciplinary view of “Systemic Leadership,” [2] a rationale for the Systems Thinking RoundTable, and [3] a proposed action plan for social system renewal  
14 Nov 2020 Gary Smith Scott Jackson Some Surprising Aspects of Systems Engineering  
21 Nov 2020 Howard Silverman Lynn Rasmussen Systems Atlas  
28 Nov 2020 George Mobus George Mobus Sapience  
5 Dec 2020 Jamie Rose Jamie Rose Is there a better General Systems Analysis available to us?   
      Break for holidays till 2021  
9 Jan 2021 Peter Tuddenham ALL Brief review of 2020, look forward to 2021, then pub and cafe breakouts  
16 Jan 2021 Peter Tuddenham Alexander Christakis and Maria Kakoulaki
An Assault on Situational Complexity
A webinar prepared for the ISSS
Alexander N. Christakis (Past ISSS President)
Maria Kakoulaki (Journalist and Demoscopio Designer)
Institute for 21st Century Agoras
23 Jan 2021 Lynn Rasmussen Peter Corning Beyond the Modern Synthesis
Conversation on recent work
30 Jan 2021 Sue Gabriele Sue Gabriele Last Saturday Roundtable. Reflections  
6 Feb 2021 George Mobus Mick Ashby Time for Ethical Systems and Third-Order Cybernetics
Science, including second-order cybernetics (2oC), can design and create technological and social systems that are effective, but it has failed at reliably producing systems that are ethical. Additionally, it has left the fight against evil to the politicians, police, and religions, which have also failed us. But evil and unethical actions are just a subset of undesirable behavior, which can be reduced systematically by applying appropriate cybernetic principles. Mick Ashby's ethical regulator theorem (ERT) combines the good regulator theorem with the law of requisite variety and seven other requisites that are necessary and sufficient to guarantee that a system exhibits acceptable (ethical) behavior; even under non-ideal or hostile conditions. These nine requisite dimensions define an abstraction layer that can be mapped onto any regulator in any domain. ERT can also be retrofitted to existing development or design processes, such as Agile or VSM, to ensure that they can only produce ethically adequate systems. A new framework that integrates cybernetic, ethical, and superintelligent systems leads to a theory-based solution to the danger that superintelligent machines might cause a cybermisanthropic dystopia. A new layer on top of 2oC (that includes the three ERT requisites: ethics, integrity, and transparency) can be used to transform any effective systems (including AI, science, 2oC, Boeing, and capitalism) into ethical systems. Mick will present arguments why it makes sense for that new layer to be named third-order cybernetics (3oC), which he defines as the cybernetics of ethical systems. Participants are encouraged to read Mick's "Ethical Regulators and Super-Ethical Systems" paper before the meeting. You can download the 34 page PDF here or via A lively post-presentation Q&A session is anticipated, and priority will be given to questions from people who have read the paper. Please bring your questions about the paper to the meeting.
13 Feb 2021   Robert Johannson The Disintegration of the West
Our society is facing three problems. The first is the environmental problem. The second is social inequality. These are systemic problems. The third problem is the failure of the global elites (that includes us) to solve these obvious problems. The resulting loss of faith in the global elites is social disintegration. We are looking at a political crisis, an economic crisis, an environmental crisis, and I would add a religious crisis.
The presentation carries on from the discussion in the book Green Rising: An Alternative Future. The book is available as a free download at
20 Feb 2021 Members Members Super Saturday SIG Sessions 2 x 45 minute SIG sessions in breakouts. More details to follow.
27 Feb
and 1 March
Gary Smith
Gary Smith
Developing an Integrative Framework for System Science In this presentation Gary will explain with examples how our knowledge about systems and our knowledge about engaging systems can be integrally related as a system for system science.

Diverse heuristic practice frameworks are mapped and illustrated within the framework:
System Isomorphisms and System Pathologies
INCOSE/ISO15288 system lifecycle processes
Diverse works of System Thinking/Acting/Being including philosophies from Buddhism and Daoism.
Myers Briggs personality traits and Belbin Team roles
Spotlights on 24 identified pathways between pathologies and transformational powers
Ideas of how to integrate and support the SIGs and Working groups of ISSS, INCOSE, Operational Research, System Dynamics and others..

All this and possibly more will be presented and open for collaborative discussion
6 Mar 2021 George Mobus and Tyler Volk John Stewart
Evolution's Arrow
Evolution, Complexity, and Cognition Group, Center Leo Apostel, Vrije Universiteit, Brussels, Belgium:
Evolutionary biologists have long eschewed the notion of "progress" in evolution. They have feared the intrusion of teleological arguments into the discourse of evolutionary mechanisms (i.e., mutation of heritable traits giving rise to variations and natural selection of those traits leading to increased or decreased fitness or the ability to procreate). They have argued vehemently that the neoDarwinian process is all that is needed to explain speciation and biodiversity. However, this view overlooks one very obvious fact of biological history from the origin of life to the present. There has been a distinct trend that has led to increasingly complex organisms and increasing capacity in living systems to process information (intelligence). More recently a number of evolutionists have been reexamining the notion of some kind of progress in evolutionary terms and have proposed many models of how that progress is accomplished by noting the role of cooperation between sometimes disparate living systems (recall Peter Corning's presentation on synergy). Such systems can form symbiotic relations that make each subsystem more fit and produce a new whole system that is then subject to classical neoDarwinian evolution leading to diversification.
On March 6th we are pleased to be joined by one of these pioneer thinkers, John Stewart, author of "Evolution's Arrow", who will give a talk about the application of his theory to social systems, focusing on the establishment of cooperation among individuals leading to a more robust larger system.
John Stewart's Presentation
Title: Evolutionary possibilities: Can a society be constrained so that “the good” self-organizes?  
Can a human society be constrained in such a way that self-organization will thereafter tend to produce outcomes that advance the goals of the society? Such a society would be self-organizing in the sense that individuals who pursue only their own interests would none-the-less act in the interests of the society as a whole, irrespective of any intention to do so. The paper sketches an agent-based model that identifies the conditions that must be met if such a self-organizing society is to emerge. The model draws heavily on an understanding of how self-organizing societies have emerged repeatedly during the evolution of life on Earth. The model demonstrates that the key enabling requirement for a self-organizing society is ‘consequence-capture’. Broadly this means that all agents in the society must capture sufficient of the beneficial (and harmful) consequences of their actions for the goals of the society. ‘Consequence-capture’ can be organized in a society by appropriate management (systems of evolvable constraints) that suppresses free riders and supports pro-social actions. In human societies these constraints include institutions such as systems of governance and social norms. If a self-organizing society is to emerge, consequence-capture must apply to all agents in the society, including those involved in the establishment and adaptation of institutions. If this is achieved, the result will be a fully self-organizing society in which the interests of all agents (including individuals, firms, multi-national corporations, political organizations, institutions and governments) are aligned with the interests of the society as a whole.
John asks that participants read the full article (available at either link below) and come prepared for a deep discussion.
For those who have academic access, it is at:  For those without such access, an earlier pre-print that is freely available can be accessed at:
John's book
EVOLUTION'S ARROW: The direction of evolution and the future of humanity
John Stewart
Member of the Evolution, Complexity and Cognition Research Group, the Free University of Brussels
13 Mar 2021       BREAK
20 & 22 Mar 2021   Bill Smith  and/or Michele Friend and/or Gary Smith developing an integrative framework for systems sciences.
Our SIG, Leadership and Systemic Innovation (possibly to be renamed to add “Engagement”)  has been fully engaged with this work and would like to improve its contribution by engaging the community in discussions of the systemic innovations that lie behind the results presented by Gary on 27 February and 1 March this year. Engaging in the creation of a narrative that is understandable, useable, and scientifically sound by managers, facilitators, and designers of systems. The purpose would be to extend ISSS’s leadership role in systems theory and practice.
1.       The first week Saturday March 20 and Monday March 22 will  focus on the different views and practical implications of the concepts of wholeness, oneness, and the coherence of systems.
27 & 29 Mar 2021
Bill Smith  and/or Michele Friend and/or Gary Smith developing an integrative framework for systems sciences.
2.       The second week Saturday  March 27 and Monday March 29 will  focus on the practical implications of the ways this wholeness is broken into parts, levels, and processes that provide the basic systems frameworks. (i.e. move  from oneness to the practical integration of models stressing threeness, fourness and fiveness etc.).
3 & 5
Apr 2021
  Bill Smith  and/or Michele Friend and/or Gary Smith developing an integrative framework for systems sciences.
3.       The third week Saturday  April 3  and Monday April 5  will focus on the nature of systems practice given the results of the first two weeks. “
10 Apr 2021       Self Organized Break Out conversations
17 Apr 2021   George Mobus How Systems Come Into Existence and the Universe Gets Continually More Complex: Follow up to Mobus' Ontogenesis, Volk's Combogenesis, Corning's Synergistics, and Stewart's Cooperation - A New General Theory Forming?

George Mobus has presented his concept of ontogenesis as the process whereby the Universe evolves more complex forms of systems. Tyler Volk, likewise has talked about his concept of combogenesis which achieves the same end. Peter Corning presented his notion of synergy. And John Stewart has presented his theory of cooperation evolving to produce more complexity. All of these theories address the question of: Where do more complex and higher order systems emerge from lower complexity. How do atoms produce macromolecules and then life, and then humans and their societies? What universal laws are at work that produce, in Stewart's terms, "Evolution's Arrow"? Might we have an outline for a theory of systems generation that could advance the field and even allow us to anticipate the future of humanity?

24 Apr 2021
Roelien Goede
мокий михаил
Olaf Brugman
Fundamentals of the concept of a system-transdisciplinary approach
1 May 2021   Kerry Turner See the System
Kerry Turner will share her plans for a new competition called See The System. This is her idea for a new global competition to encourage systemic understanding and sustained intervention in societal systems. Yopu are invited to share your observations and ideas after her introduction of the idea. Kerry plans to make an official launch at the ISSS Annual meeting in July.
8 May 2021 George Mobus Michael Kalton, PhD Professor Emeritus, University of Washington Tacoma, Integrated Arts & Sciences Co-Author: "Principles of Systems Science" Clash of Gaia and Homo sapiens Mike published a book last year: The Clash of Gaia and Homo sapiens in the Anthropocene: the Search for Reconciliation [Synopsis at]. He will be discussing the main theme of this book and looks for stimulating conversation.

15 May 2021 Micehele Friend Lorenzo Maldini AI and systems
Persuasive AI technology has already proven itself as a fantastic candidate-geopolitical-superpower that would replace Nuclear Weapons in terms of effectiveness, given its cheap synthesis, deployment, and colossal political and social impact on people decision making process. Systemically thinking, such technology is in fact a threat to People Democratic Agency.
Who owns it, owns the fate of subject nations, at an individual and national level. This presentation (potential research proposal) discusses What a tech giant or any tech company can potentially do with a vast ridiculously detailed British people information and behaviour data base and how this can pose National Security Issue for the UK. However, I see that this should not only be a British National Security concern, but the rest of the world’s too.
We conclude that data harvesting is not an ethical issue, but, systemically thinking, it has a potential to seriously threaten the very foundation of humanity and their freedom. I define several concepts such as: Human Farming, Trojan Business, Artificial Persuasion Levels, Pre-deterministic Society, The Pigeon Paradigm Society, Ego-system. We also recommend that AI technologies especially Persuasive AI must be heavily regulated or banned due to its serious impact on human brains and people freedom in life.
Bio: Lorenzo Martini is a PhD student, working on addressing the issue of safety assurance of AI based Autonomous systems, specifically covering Critical Systems applications. His degree was in Aerospace System Engineering, and he had a practical experience in Construction Project management and Systems Engineering Consultancy mainly in railways industry. As an Entrepreneur in Drone Systems, got a Patent and have 2 more under consideration at the moment. Currently he has a community interest company start up with a friend, still at the inception stage. hobbies are: System Thinking, Innovation, Social Entrepreneurship, Latin Dancing (Tango, Bachata, Kizomba, Salsa), outdoors activities, fitness.
chosen social responsibility as aspiring System Engineer is to bring system thinking down to earth for normal people to use and stop AI from being misused by having it heavily regulated.
22 May 2021 George Mobus David Grinspoon The Emergence of Planetary Intelligence: Astrobiology and the Anthropocene Earth
Please watch these before the session
A powerful new dynamic is remaking Earth. Never before has a geological force become aware of its own influence. I propose that the “Anthropocene” may mark more than an Epoch boundary, but the advent of Earth’s 5th Eon, the “Sapiezoic”. The advent of self-aware cognitive/geological processes as a component of planetary systems is potentially as significant as the other three Eon boundaries, each of which represented a shift in relationship between life and the planet. Yet, an Eon implies a permanently changed planet. This puts our immediate challenges over the next century: (stabilizing population & devising an energy system that can provide for the needs of this population without wrecking the natural systems upon which we depend) against the backdrop of a larger challenge: Becoming a long-term stabilizing factor on the planet. This will include: Over the next several hundred years, asteroid defense; Over tens of thousands of years, preventing ice ages and natural episodes of dangerous warming; Over billions of years, preventing runaway warming from solar evolution. Global influence precedes global control, so the earliest stages of this transition are characterized by unstable positive feedbacks threatening catastrophe. However, conscious awareness and control can also provide negative feedback. Becoming a stable part of the Earth system will require deep understanding of nature and an ability to forestall natural disasters, as well as the self-understanding needed to avoid self-imposed disasters. It will require both technical and spiritual progress. How we conduct ourselves on a global scale may affect the security and well-being of all future life. In the past when humans faced existential threats we survived through cooperation and innovation. Our current dilemmas require the same skills applied on larger temporal and spatial scales. Although right now we are initiating a mass extinction, in the long run by preventing future extinctions and prolonging the life of the biosphere we could be the best thing that ever happened to planet Earth. If a Sapiezoic is possible, then our search for extraterrestrial intelligence is most likely to discover planetary civilizations that have successfully navigated this transition.
David Grinspoon is an astrobiologist, award-winning science communicator, and prize-winning author. His research focuses on climate evolution on Earth-like planets, potential conditions for life elsewhere in the universe, and the planetary scale impacts of human activities on Earth. For the 2020-2021 academic year he is Distinguished Visiting Scholar in the College of the Environment at Wesleyan University. He is a Senior Scientist at the Planetary Science Institute, Adjunct Professor of Astrophysical and Planetary Science at the University of Colorado, and Adjunct Professor of Science, Technology and International Affairs at Georgetown University. He is involved with several interplanetary spacecraft missions for NASA, the European Space Agency and the Japanese Space Agency.
In 2013 he was appointed as the inaugural Chair of Astrobiology at the U.S. Library of Congress where he studied the human impact on Earth systems and organized a public symposium on the ­­­Longevity of Human Civilization. He has given dozens of public lectures about climate change in the Solar System, and has collaborated with numerous scholars from the humanities on the ethical, spiritual and political dimensions of space exploration. His technical papers have been published in Nature, Science, and numerous other journals, and he has given invited keynote talks at conferences around the world.
His most recent book is Chasing New Horizons: Inside the Epic First Mission to Pluto. His book Earth in Human Hands: Shaping Our Planet’s Future, was an NPR Science Friday Best Book of 2016. His book Lonely Planets: The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life won the PEN Center USA Literary Award for Nonfiction. Grinspoon’s popular writing has appeared in Slate, Scientific American, Natural History, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times and Sky & Telescope Magazine where he is a contributing editor and writes the bi-monthly “Cosmic Relief” column. The American Astronomical Society awarded him the Carl Sagan Medal for Public Communication of Planetary Science. Asteroid 22410 Grinspoon, a main-belt asteroid, is named after him.
30 May 2021   Aleco Christakis Thirteen Lessons Learned from 50 years of Glocal Problematiques applications
Aleco Christakis, 2002 ISSS Past President invites ISSS to this Zoom session on Sunday 30th May
Free webinar:  May 30, 2021, SUNDAY 4pm CET  Mandatory REGISTER 
Thirteen Lessons Learned from 50 years of Glocal Problematiques applications
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